Agency Poll: Pros + Cons

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Everybody knows who’s doing the best work in town. But where’s the best place to work? Depends on who you’re asking and how you’re judging, right? Well, what makes your shop a great place to be? And what makes it drive you to consider a career in janitorial engineering?

We want to hear from everybody in town. Feel free to comment on places you’ve been, places you are and places you wish you could be. Freelancers and full-timers welcome. Little perks, big bennies, demotions, raises – what’s the skinny? Let’s air some laundry, both clean and dirty.

At the end of it all, we’ll tally the responses and report back on things you didn’t know about the agencies that surround you.

Comments

  1. Free Lancer February 18, 2008

    First off, this is a great

    First off, this is a great idea. I really hope people use this positively instead of just talking shit about firms in town. There’s a positive way to get the message out to places that aren’t being good employers and a negative one. Hopefully this will prove to be the former. On the flipside, there’s nothing wrong with giving kudos to places that have things figured out.

    One thing I would love to hear is what shops are actually making a difference instead of just feeding the machine. Who’s doing killer non-profit work? Who donates time and energy to good causes, instead of just a check at the holidays?

    It seems everyone in town knows Crispin works their employees like slaves. Plus it seems they could care less about being part of the regional design community. There’s no doubt that long hours are a fact of life in this industry, but rumor has it they hire people knowing they’ll only last for 2 years before they burn out from being worked so hard. That seems a bit ridiculous.

    There’s this notion in the world of advertising/design that working 80 hour weeks is a badge of honor and you’re not a “real” designer if you aren’t doing that. I say FUCK THAT. Everyone needs a work/life balance. And, if you learn to work efficiently, you’ll be more productive in less time. Any place that doesn’t honor that is not holding up their end of the bargain.

    I, personally, would love to work at Factory but I haven’t heard much about the environment itself. Judging from the interview with Steve, though, he knows what it takes to keep people motivated and passionate. And then he does it.

  2. hack boy February 19, 2008

    Free Lancer—
    Please allow me

    Free Lancer—

    Please allow me to directly quote you…“FUCK THAT.”

    If people don’t talk shit about shops here, the whole point of the Egotist becomes moot. I read “Attempting to Help Denver Suck Less, Daily.” at the top left corner of the site, not “Celebrating the mediocrity that keeps the advertising industry in Colorado a non-entity nationally.”

    I agree there are positive ways to call attention to the negative aspects of certain agencies, but let’s not sugar coat it. (I’m sure not everyone in town knows Crispin does killer work, but is a sweat shop.)

    There are always two sides to every coin. I want to get them both in all their unabashed naked glory or ugliness.

    Right now, it seems like Denver has a two-headed coin, but 95% of the time agencies call tails. This is not OK, if we want Denver to suck less.

  3. enough already February 19, 2008

    the whole point of the

    the whole point of the egotist is to talk shit about shops? What a miserable fucking purpose. It really seems like the point of this site is to give burn outs and students a platform to talk about the people actually doing work in this city. Denver does not suck, but thanks to this site, the community here has been soured.

  4. hack boy February 19, 2008

    E-
    You have apparently

    E-

    You have apparently missed the point. I was not saying talk shit. I was saying, let’s not be satisfied with pats on the back and atta boys.

    Let’s give credit where credit is due, but let’s also be honest with each other, this isn’t a top market for creative work. But there is no reason it can’t be.

    A number of very talented, knowledgeable, top notch creatives grace our streets and some very promising national and international clients are based here, but for some reason neither feel staying here is a positive move for their futures.

    THAT is what needs to change.
    THAT is why Denver sucks.
    THAT is why the Egotist is attempting to get us talking — both about what’s working at times, and about what’s not.

    If we didn’t love living here, and love being creatives, the Egotist would not have been born. We want the best of both worlds, a great place to live and a great place to work. We believe Denver could be that place.

    I am all for “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” but as far as the advertising world goes, Denver is broke. But we would rather try fix it and stay where we love than have to move somewhere less desirable just to have a future in our chosen careers.

  5. Searing Pain Medicine February 19, 2008

    Well said Hack boy. Yes,

    Well said Hack boy. Yes, addressing all that makes us unhappy (as well as happy) about our little community is an important function of this site. And of course, this includes exposing shitty shops. So, bring it on. Let’s talk about what’s great about where you work and what makes you want to jump out a window.

  6. jay February 19, 2008

    For all the

    For all the half-glass-empties, who cares about the junk that’s out there? Do you seriously think that noted communities like say, the Twin Cities, whine and cry about certain agencies/freelancers doing work that’s not up to snuff? No. They pay attention to what Carmichael’s doing, what Fallon’s doing, what Mono’s doing, what Hunt Adkins doing…you get the idea. Every market has great work, ok work, and weaker work.

    As far as Denver goes, plenty of agencies are hitting it out of the park with big win clients and national awards. TDA, Sukle, Cultivator, Factory, Cactus, Integer, Barnhart, CCT, Karsh, the list goes on.

    Seriously, guys. If you don’t like your job, leave. If you can’t leave you job, change the culture. Change the work. Change. We all know about Sally Hogshead’s Radical Careering. If you don’t…sallyhogshead.com, friends.
    I’ve said it before. Talent comes. Talent goes. That is every market. CP+B was just Crispin advertising, a seventh largest unknown in the Miami area, until locals did something. The rest is history.

    I sometimes wonder if the reason people complain is to make them feel better about themselves. I hope this isn’t the case. I REALLY hope this isn’t the case. Because complaining on a blog isn’t going to do jack for you, your career, or the community. But taking a blank piece of paper and making magic on it, that’s what it’s all about. Right?

  7. free lancer February 19, 2008

    Ok, so everyone is in

    Ok, so everyone is in agreement with what I said the first time around: There’s a positive way to get the message out to places that aren’t being good employers and a negative one.

    Fuckin’ A people…remember that asshole who was unnecessarily harsh on crit day? The one who sat in the back acting like he was being punished for attending class? Well, Denver doesn’t need any more of those. THAT is what makes Denver suck. A bunch of ass-sniffers sitting around dogging on people.

    I hate to bring up a cliche, but it is Colorado, and Gandhi did say it best: Be the change you want to see in the world. So if you want the Denver ad/design community to be full of people talking shit and being negative, have at it. But you’re just perpetuating the problem.

    By all means, expose the shops that treat their employees like shit. The ones that pay like crap. The ones that settle for “good enough”. But do it in a way that encourages change.

  8. Mum February 19, 2008

    This topic is great in

    This topic is great in theory, but who’s gonna be dumb enough to post negative comments about their current agency? Outside of Integer, agencies here are too small. So even if people posted anonymously, it wouldn’t be too difficult to figure out who’s saying what.

    So my advice would be to just hit up as many ad happy hours as possible. The more private, one-on-one bar conversations with people from other agencies, combined with alcohol, would have the truth flowing more freely from the tongues.

  9. j-girl February 19, 2008

    people here will never dish

    people here will never dish on their agencies, but neither would ad folks in other communities. but i can say this as someone that’s watched the movement of accounts and people very closely across all the agencies in denver since i got to the market a couple years ago. there is way too much incest going on, which is a huge problem. bringing talent and accounts from outside (not just one or two people but many and with momentum) is the key to avoiding long-term sucking. also, stop hiring only very senior and very junior people — it’s simply a bad equation. there’s not enough meat of people with solid 5-12 years experience in the denver ad market being cultivated and grown to support the work that needs to be done. also, people should be pushing their small and growing agencies to come up with new models and methods of doing great work…denver is in perpetual “catch up” mode with the big guys, while agencies like droga5, strawberry frog and firms like stone yamashita partners figure out the new way of going business…this is because they know the big agency biz is shit bcuz they’ve been there done that for real… but yet 90% of what goes on around here is repeating what’s already been done in the big leagues…just at higher elevation.

  10. Hoo-Wee February 19, 2008

    Does anybody on this site

    Does anybody on this site know where I could score some good crystal meth? I’d like this methamphetamine to be the methamphetamine equivalent of a Tom Shane piece of jewelry: in other words, an ideal mix of quality and value. Any help would be appreciated, thanks!

  11. jMease February 19, 2008

    I think moving forward, the

    I think moving forward, the Egotist should just title every thread :

    “What is your opinion why Denver’s creative community is sub-par with the rest of the country?”

    At least that way the majority of comments will feel like they are on-topic.

  12. MNDESIGN February 19, 2008

    Dear Jay,
    I really hope that

    Dear Jay,
    I really hope that bubble of fun your mind resides in never pops. I invite you come put your resume in here at TSA and try and change this machine. Or quit when you have a mortgage? Don’t get me wrong, your feedback is valid and you are entitled to your words, but I would rather hear what you know about who’s doing what around here. Who do you respect in town? Are there places that are giving attention to what you think are worthy examples?
    ———-

    I would like to give a shout to Leopard. They have big clients, keep their employees for many years, and they plan well for future financial situations…so they don’t have to lay people off.

  13. Jamie Reedy February 19, 2008

    Not to turn this thread on

    Not to turn this thread on its head, but I’d like to call out a few places I’ve had good experiences. As a freelance writer, working with Jason Otero at Art & Anthropology is consistently rewarding – tight creative briefs and an ultra smart thinker who’s always pushing for fresh conceptual ideas. Also, Paul Reed, who used to work here at LeeReedy and is now CD at PGM and runs his own company on the side, is always demanding the best.

    I have a lot of fun with the tight-knit group I work with every day, as well. No layers and no egos – it’s the only way to fly.

  14. e kiker February 19, 2008

    I worked for Thomas & Perkins

    I worked for Thomas & Perkins for a number of years, and for the most part, it was an awesome place to be – a great place to learn the business. I probably stayed there longer than I should have, especially when things started going downhill, but you know, when you work with people you like, you tend to stick it out.

    Now I freelance, which for the past five years has been incredible. I’m not forced to work with people I don’t care for, and on the flip side, unlike on the agency side (sometimes) no one’s forced to work with me.

    I work a lot with Studio Harris – my friend Melissa has been handling the Cherry Cricket for over a decade. We had Cherry Creek North as well for a number of years and did a lot of interesting work, the highlight of which was a three-year running series of :30 songs which made up our radio campaign.

    LeeReedy is another shop I work with – have ever since Lee Reedy ran the place. Lots of national work, unusual assignments, terrific people.

    Spin, which has offices in Breck and Denver is a great shop. Like LeeReedy, a little under the radar in a good way. Watch for some outside-Colorado account announcements from these guys soon.

    I’ve had nothing but positive experiences with Xylem. I think they put out a great product and despite how visual they are, really value web copy.

    I love working with Jason Otero and his Art & Anthropology group – thoughtful I think is the key word here. Everything has a reason for being, which results in really smart design. Their snow removal piece for the City of Denver was recent proof of that – got lots of attention from the press and hopefully from the citizens. Great design from a government entity – fantastic.

    If you don’t know CommArts in Boulder, you should. They have a national and international reputation, so they’re not as well known in their own back yard, but they do amazing environmental design, architecture and graphic design. I work with them four or five times a year, always cool.

    And yeah, I’m not going to say anything bad about anyone – it’s not for me, plus the bad experiences have been so few and far between I can count them on one middle finger.

    Thanks.

  15. Jimmy Deeps February 19, 2008

    I think advertising’s badass.

    I think advertising’s badass. Well, let me re-phrase, I think creativity is badass and advertising, generally blows ass. But what makes a Denver agency a good one or bad one?

    To me, you guys have chosen a pretty badass career, so why should you punish yourself for this? Why do you ‘need’ to spend all night and all weekend, lack of sleep, no social life, etc, etc for an ad that flat out has no potential to be badass? How are you supposed to be creative if you sit in front of a computer screen 24/7 “‘concepting or designing” – oh wait, they keep a stockpile of CAs around, so nevermind. Seems to me like if you see creative potential you would ‘want’ to put in the amount of time to successfully accomplish that. And to me, seems like any shop that respects that creative freedom could be a badass shop in my book no matter what corner of Colorado it’s tucked away in.

  16. J Deans February 21, 2008

    I think people are missing

    I think people are missing the point of this column. It’s not a “let’s bash on an agency”, it’s what’s cool about working where you are and wants not. So far, it’s just people worried about only negative comments. Well, I understand that. People tend to vent here way too much. Here’s what I think needs to be answered here:

    Do you get fed? Frig full of food and/or drinks.

    Bonuses?

    Everyone knows you have to work your ass off at any agency but do you get comp time? Or are you just expected to suck it up.

    What kind of parties do you have? i.e. pot luck or “what happened to my shoes?” parties.

    Do you have any extra out of the ordinary holiday/vacation/team building days off?

    What kind of clients you get to work with?

    How creative you can be? Just following orders or actually coming up with art?

    What kind of physical work environment do you have? i.e. corporate, industrial, farm house.

    What special perks do you get? i.e. free season pass, client swag/discount swag.

    Are there procedures and policies in place to ensure work flow? If so, what are they? Nothing worse then having to put out a different fire everyday.

    Great Leaderships! What makes your “bosses” great? Is he/she just one of the workers? Or is he/she needing a tissue for the nose bleed.

    The team. How great is your team? What makes them great? Do you work together to help each other out? Do you help up the ones that are falling or do you just let them fall?

    I don’t count theses Standard business perks: vacation time, health insurance, holidays, 401k (or equivalent) because they are benefits most businesses give their workers

    These are not trade secrets! These are just questions and answers to how your work place is.

  17. Papus February 22, 2008

    Sterling Rice Group in

    Sterling Rice Group in Boulder. I’ve been here almost 2 years.

    The Good: – 3 Weeks Vacation plus most federal holidays (you people don’t get presidents day? That’s lame) – 15% Bonus every year. Not guaranteed but they’ve given the full percent 23 out of 25 years in business. – 401k – Above average Benefits – Parking Garage pass – Stocked drink fridges, free lunch a few times a month. – Parties range from mild to wild. These dudes can get down when the time is right. – My team is great. No drama, no bullshit. – Leadership is so good it’s scary. People in leadership positions are there because they’re right for it or have proven themselves. These people know how to run an agency.

    The Bad: – Fairly corporate environment even if they don’t like to admit it.

    Overall this is one of the best agencies I’ve ever worked for. They really care about their people – rather than toss tokens at them to foster that feeling. I would recommend this shop to anyone.

  18. Far February 22, 2008

    Whoever wrote the SRG post

    Whoever wrote the SRG post must be in upper management. Not many employees in the trenches that echo those sentiments.

    SRG has grown so much in the last 5 years that it’s no longer the family-style place it used to be.

    And then there’s that whole thing of losing accounts and not getting new ones.

  19. J Deans February 22, 2008

    I have to give it to Papus at

    I have to give it to Papus at SRG though. Finally someone who is on topic. That was the point of this section. I think the people in the trenches need to get on here and tell us if that is true or not at SRG. I don’t think people should come on here and only bitch. Thanks Papus for being the first to get to the point. My place of employ has a frig full of drinks and a cabinets full of snacks. A week extra around New Years off. Come on people. Why does your place rule? I know alot of you agency people read the Denver Egotist but don’t take part in the conversation. I know some agency people don’t say anything. Take action! Don’t just be an observer. Be a part of the world.

  20. miss fin February 23, 2008

    here’s my 2¢-
    i work at a

    here’s my 2¢-

    i work at a small agency in town no one knows the name of anyway….so i guess that doesn’t matter. we have ONE week vaca a year, and that doesn’t change no matter how long you’ve been there as i’ve just discovered. no 401k. lousy insurance. no bonus. oh wait. i got a half day off as my bonus.

    owner is a control freak and a perfect example of the favorite topic of late: doesn’t charge what the work is worth, discounts, is afraid to take chances creatively…. etc. i.e. what’s wrong with denver. needless to say i’m on the way out and in search for a place that appreciates talent, creativity, and mad skills!

  21. Papus February 23, 2008

    Nope, not in upper

    Nope, not in upper management. And yeah, we’ve lost some clients lately but new ones are on the way. Sounds like your experience is different ‘Far’ and that’s gonna happen but I like this place, for the reasons stated.

  22. hack boy February 25, 2008

    Interesting.
    Plenty of talk

    Interesting.

    Plenty of talk about vacation, benefits, and family love, but what about the work? That is all anyone outside this cow town gives a shit about.

    Ask yourself this, does the shop you work at value strong thinking? Does it challenge you to think beyond your comfort level? Does it challenge their clients to move beyond their comfort level? Or are they just coasting along, measuring success by their balance sheet?

    That is what I see is important in a place I would want to work, and what I feel needs to be embraced in order to make Denver more than just a poor little sister.

  23. Papus February 26, 2008

    The work is work. Some

    The work is work. Some interesting and creatively open projects and some boring and restrictive projects. Pretty much true anywhere you go. The only job I ever had that provided kick ass assignments day after day, with total creative freedom was in Dallas soon after college and the shop was always in the red, paid crap and provided no benefits. That’s fine when you’re a kid but some balance is nice as you get older. Good work, good pay, good benneys, good team, good environment, good strategy – plus a real career track. Can’t ask for much more than that.

  24. Free Lancer February 28, 2008

    texturemedia: a little

    texturemedia: a little boulder secret. TM embodies the web. many agencies develop aesthetic sites, but don’t do a thing for the brand. while design is important, bridging the gap between aesthetics and usability is especially important. process is set – they know what needs to be done, how and when. the agency is fairly young, but there are tenured, professional minds that are backed by interactive experience. team setting is amazing, VPs are young and communicative – there are no secrets. atmosphere is mature, professional and passionate but laid back. compensation is competitive, if not better, working on a 401K match, vaca is great! Located on pearl street, you can’t get a better location – just as the ideas, happy hour is a daily occurrence.

    crispin: they are what they are – the clients (and new clients) speak for themselves. The talent pool has doubled b/c of their presence – thank you.

    factory: rock and roll. atmosphere is young, high-strung and stressful, but you won’t find a better list of clients. creative “flava” is top-notch. employees are talented (tattoos are standard) – if you can’t take the hours, don’t bother. recognition is provided to those who deserve it. you’re on your own, little support – it’s a dog eat dog mentality. they match 401K, vaca is norm and the perks are a plus – if you need an audi, you’re covered. the agency has grown over the last couple years, which speaks to the developed client relationships. However, although they are a full-service agency, they have yet to understand strategy and sem.

    cactus: norm is amazing. choose their clients wisely and give back to the community.

  25. UNEMPLOYED February 29, 2008

    i was at texture but was part

    i was at texture but was part of the recent layoffs. needless to say, not many good memories. better money management would have allowed us to stay on. most of the team is cool, but as an agency they’re definitely better at pitching than delivering.

  26. X-Xylem March 2, 2008

    Damn. That sounds familiar.

    Damn. That sounds familiar. Some of these shops are all about the sales. The delivery is an afterthought.

  27. egothis March 3, 2008

    Of the all the agencies I’ve

    Of the all the agencies I’ve worked for, Xylem has had the best benefits/perks by far. Some of the basics they offer are 100% 401k matching, 3 weeks of vacation per year, flex hours, 100% health and dental coverage, and profit sharing. The past 2 years they had at least 10 PAID days off during Christmas break Some of the little known perks include an FAC every Friday, team lunches almost weekly, professional foosball table, stocked fridge, and a Rock Band lounge set up in one of the conference rooms. There are even talks of an Irish Pub build out near the kitchen.

  28. Searing Pain Medicine March 4, 2008

    Dudes, those sound pretty

    Dudes, those sound pretty average to me. Most people got both holiday weeks off this year because of the way xmas and NYE fell (and dont kid yourself, you made those hours up). Three weeks vacation? Of course. Health and Dental? 3% matching 401k?… we didn’t go to college to pay for our own retirement and health care people.

    Anyone have anything extraordinary? Something that will make us all say DAMN!? Like for instance “Draft Bucks”. As in Draft FCB – $500 a year free to do anything you want as long as it is in the interest of ‘bettering yourself’. That’s a perc right there. That’s extraordinary.

  29. free lancer March 4, 2008

    I agree with SPM. However, I

    I agree with SPM. However, I think the reality is that the economic climate, at least currently, won’t allow for things like Draft Bucks.

    The second thing to consider is that Colorado is not home to any big global agencies (CP+B not included), which are the ones that can afford to do awesome things like that.

    I’ll venture a guess that even Factory, who by all accounts is kicking much ass, doesn’t have disposable income like that as a company.

    One thing I would love to see is firms standing behind the professional advancement of their employees. And I don’t mean tuition reimbursement. I mean covering the cost of seminars, classes, and events like Next and the HOW Design Conference.

    There’s been a plethora of research done proving that happy employees are productive employees. And there’s also been a ton of research showing that employees aren’t looking for monetary compensation to increase their happiness.

    If companies invest in their employees, they get productive, loyal employees. How do you put a price on that? The problem is that too few places think it’s worth the initial investment.

    None of the places I’ve worked at offer perks like that.

    So, is it the quality of work and clients that we’re left to measure this by?

  30. Jason May March 4, 2008

    “Draft Bucks” aren’t

    “Draft Bucks” aren’t extraordinary. They’re lame and dorky. My agency actually let’s us choose our own salaries and gives us each a checkbook so we can buy our own computers, software and other expenses. Plus, we close the office for EVERY holiday recognized in the U.S. and we don’t work on our birthdays or the birthdays of any coworker. We have just over 300 employees, so that’s a lot of days off! I’m not done: we also have lunch catered by Mortons every day — this is free for us as long as we fill out a feedback card after each meal. Luckily, our CEO is a huge ski fan, so he let’s most of us work from the mountain during the week as long as we’re available by SMS between 1-2:30pm on saturdays.

  31. UGH March 4, 2008

    ok, i officially give up on

    ok, i officially give up on this site. as soon as we’re asked to contribute constructively, it becomes useless. it’s as if the only value people see in the egotist is having a place to BITCH and MOAN. oops, i guess that’s what i’m doing now.

  32. Searing Pain Medicine March 6, 2008

    What’s the matter UGH? I

    What’s the matter UGH? I thought we were on topic and we were talkin’ shop here. Of course Jason got sarcastic (the morons version of wit) but he managed to be kinda funny and bordered on clever in parts. So what’s the problem?

  33. UGH March 6, 2008

    hey searing pain medicine,

    hey searing pain medicine, are you the egotist? maybe everyone already knows that, but i don’t… just sounds like you own this post, which is fine. anyway, egothis says xylem is putting in an irish pub… that doesn’t sound “average” to me. i wish we had a friggin pub in our office. also, i think you misquoted him… he said 100% 401k match and you responded with 3%. that’s a pretty big difference. and quickly reviewing these posts, a 100% match appears to be well above the average. i’m assuming you work for draft and that’s why you’re pitching ‘draft bucks’ and telling everyone else that their input is lame. true? why don’t you just save us the time and tell us which agency is best?

  34. Papus March 6, 2008

    Whoa, where did this go

    Whoa, where did this go south? 3% matching is the same as 100% matching really. It just means they match 100% of your contribution up to 3% – which gives you 6% every month. It’s standard.

    And no offense to you UGH but you’re the only one bitching on this thread as far as I can tell.

  35. The Denver Egotist March 7, 2008

    Check out what’s going on at

    Check out what’s going on at 37signals.
    http://www.37signals.com/svn/posts/893-workplace-experiments?q=1

  36. Searing Pain Medicine March 7, 2008

    Yes, I meant 3% contributions

    Yes, I meant 3% contributions witch is the same as saying 100% matching. No I don’t work for Draft. And I’m not ‘pitching’ Draft Bucks or telling anyone that their input is lame. I just wanted to hear about some extraordinary perks, shit that makes you think “now that company gets it!” – not the shit everyone has and we should all expect.

    Thanks to Egotist for bringing that with the 37 Signals post. It’s really all about priorities. For example – I don’t have healthcare but I could afford it if I got rid of cable and high speed internet. But I’m a douche that can’t live without 500 channels. Same goes for business. Some companies set the correct priorities some don’t. 37 Signals seems to have their priorities straight. You’re nothing without your employees – so make them feel that. Hook them up.

    On the other hand, you have shops that choose to focus on setting status-driven growth goals and paying executives and Sales staff ass loads of cash – while tossing the staff a bone here and there just to keep them from walking out the door.

    I’m really not sure what you’re all pissed off about UGH. No one in here is bashing anyone or any shop. We’re just talking about the ones that are doing things right. Are you pissy cause you work in a company that’s not?

  37. Free Lance March 7, 2008

    I saw a post on Creative

    I saw a post on Creative Hotlist today for a place called Amphion. Sounded pretty cool, actually. But then I did a little Googling. Seems the head of the group, Constance Goetz, is the Anti-Gym’s “media handler”. Can anyone confirm or deny?

    And, just to hear peep’s thoughts…Would anyone work for a company who did business with that douchebag Karolchyk?

  38. Free Lance March 7, 2008

    Oooh, oooh, oooh…How about

    Oooh, oooh, oooh…How about all of us starting our own firm and doing things the right way? There’s clearly no shortage of ridiculous talent and people who give a shit about the quality of work, clients, and life in general.

    It’s been a dream of mine to start my own shop and do things differently than everyone else.

    Anyone interested?

  39. Papus March 7, 2008

    Seems as though our buddy Joe

    Seems as though our buddy Joe Mease beat you to it. And he’s hiring!

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